UTOPIA ...? Let’s give it a Home – a Destenation! (A discussion on the separation of church and state, and more)

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Any great idea will remain Utopia unless it is given a practical context and a purposeful application that can be lived into reality.

Not that we’ve had many great ideas in the history of mankind... At Desteni we are coming forth with a ‘utopia’ that is for the first time a great idea considering ALL and EVERYTHING that is here – a great idea that in fact considers what is best for all. The foundation for this is the principle of equality. This may not be a new concept, obviously, yet the approach and the practical application that is being proposed is something that will not only ‘blow your mind’ – it will blow the whole current system apart!

“Thank God!”, one could say, finally, something that will help clear the dust and rust of this millennia old machine, that ended up in this world wide monarchy of money, feeding on life instead of nurturing all children of the world!

One however does not say that. Au contraire, this great idea is being resisted and fought from many corners, especially of course those that fear losing the oh so dear money (because even though money equals debt, it also equals power ... makes you wonder, doesn’t it...)

Have those with money lost their man-I ...?

It seems so, otherwise they would not be placing money before life, power before life, fear before life.

Today I was discussing the separation of religion and state, and I was challenged to look at an argument saying that "the logic of separating church and state is not all that different from the logic of separating the private economy from the state" – an argument based on an excerpt with the title "Religious Liberty and the Separation of Church and State".

I was not aware of Paul Starr’s book, "Freedom’s Power", however I looked at the principle and I see the parallel – though, let me place things into perspective:

We cannot allow beliefs and religious ideas (which are separatist or hierarchical in nature to begin with) to lead our world, or even to lead the leaders of our world, as that is not a starting-point that will ensure what is best for all.

Re-interpretation of the Bible by Cameron Cope

The same with economy: if we define the 'state' as the 'whole'/what's best for all (not that it is currently) and if we define 'private economy' as the ego-driven separatist application of economy just like the one we witness day in day out within and as our current money-system that is not based in real, actual value, but only in profit-making  --- then it is obvious that economy and welfare are separate and that an economy based on profit is not supporting all life equally.

Now, don’t get me wrong, I am not in any way proposing that ‘private economy’ should exist at all! Because now that it does – please have an honest look at our world and ask yourself whether you’d be willing to put yourself in the shoes of another – in the shoes of ANY OTHER BEING in this world – and walk their life as if it is yours.

The answer is obvious and the practical implication is that we cannot allow this reality, this world as we know it, to continue the way it’s currently going.

In an equal money system, everyone will have the choice to follow a religion as long as that is not influencing others – as long as a religion is not harming or compromising life. No more violation of human rights based on beliefs and religious traditions!

In an equal money system, the economy will no longer be based in profit but will be based in the value of life. People will still be able to make more money and have ‘more luxuries’ than the equal high standard available to all, but the money-making will not happen in a way that will monopolize resources or compromise the quality of a product to serve the profit-making of a select few. Nope!

Art by Jessica Arias

Let’s finally agree that the value of life is life – and that life is the highest value to be honored and practically taken care of in this one reality we all share!

Equality is about practically establishing the value of life that we all equally have in common as the spirit of our breath. We all breathe the same air!

Equality is about stopping the religion of money as it exists today : where money is the god that decides who lives and who dies in this world.

In an equal money system with equal opportunities for all, there will for the first time exist actual choice!

Life/living can be something that supports self-expression, self-expansion – and each one will have the means, the time and the freedom to expand in their skills, talents and expression. 

From this starting-point we can all stop 'surviving' and start living! From this starting-point the whole application of work/working will change, the motivation will change, and self will be/become the actual driving force of oneself and one's world – in equality. 

That is real power, that is real freedom. this is a promising scenario, but it must be willed into awareness and applied into beingness – it must be practically lived into creation – a creation where we can all live constructively and co-exist without fear!

Art y Matti Freeman

In a world of equality, we can each be ‘source’ – instead of fighting like vampires for ‘energy’. In the current world system, energy is currently manifest as the money-system – it’s goal: ‘power’ – a world that is reflecting back to us ‘who we are’/who we have become and what has become of our creation: one only need look at how we exist within the current world-system, and how (we allow) things (to) move within the money-system, while we at the same time accept that half the world must suffer in untold conditions while some suck on the resources of the EARTH that is here for all – the Earth that no money can buy, and no money can save – unless We Stop, and re-evaluate our existence into a co-existence that places life in the first place – the ‘highest moral’.

Because see – in equality ALL can have More of All : that is real quality, that is real MorAl.

The Bible and other Cults

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"The Bible and other Cults" - or 

Cultivating Relationships of actual Life Value 

The bible is not 'wrong' – it is a tool like everything else - the only problem is man's interpretation of the tools that exist in this world. Do the bible cult and other religions ‘love their neighbour’? Look at the middle east, look at the far west. Everywhere we look, we see man use the tools in a way that is called ‘divide and conquer’ – this is based in fear and only creates fear.

Why do we raise our children in fear, why do we run our relationships in fear, how can we ever ever be ‘for real’ if everything we do and everything we are: is based in fear. The relationships in our world could be something that shows us what we do not (yet) see of ourselves, like a mirror held into our face so that we may see what has become of us, so that we may have a chance to change ourselves, so that we may take responsibility.

Yet we don't do that. Our relationships are based in power-games, and power-games are based in fear; and fear is mind-control working from the inside out. 

With initially a small group of individuals that started investigating the practical aspects of reality and the individual within it all, we said 'enough is enough - no more fear!', and at Desteni we come together to stop this mind-control and support ourselves and each-other in seeing eye to eye, no longer hiding from reality, no longer hiding from ourselves. Self-honesty; Man Know Thyself. 

It's not about the group in the end and Desteni as a group will eventually no longer exist – when the whole world is One group, One family, One life ...names are irrelevant. At the moment however it IS about the group because that is the reference point we have created together in value of life, and that is where we make sure that ego will stand no chance against life. Through the group each one is mirrored ten-fold to help ourselves see, to make sure we don't fuck with ourselves, but remain response-able for 'who we are'; to make sure we do not delude ourselves with self-sabotage or illusions of grandeur – but instead remain ‘here’, grounded, humble, working with whatever comes up, bringing any given point to an alignment that is supportive of life as who we really are.

This is self-empowerment; the transcendence of ego beyond polarity in practical living application. After all – it’s about ‘who we are’, and it’s ourselves we gotta live with in the end.

We’ve had enough Napoleons, we’ve had enough Stalins; we’ve had enough abused, enough abusers. 

Enough is enough! The world is full of cults and look, one can identify them as being exclusive. 

We need a CULTURE of LIFE that is all-inclusive : we need to Cultivate Life in ourselves and each-other. Life is One, Life is All, Life is Equal. The value of life is life.

Art by Damian Ledesma 

Exclusive relationships, including if not especially family and friends, are often only functional as long as one submit to them and does not change. As soon as anything goes deeper, beyond the surface of things ‘as we know them’... it is perceived as a threat.

Everyday relationships that have a ‘personal’ face-to-face reality should be a place where all back-chat can be sorted out through intimate communication.

Why is this not happening? Why do we not learn to trust ourselves and each-other? Why do we treat our ‘loved ones’ like territory?
A person should not be ‘territory’ – Each grown-up person should be able to make their own decisions about what they stand for in life, who they will be/become and what kind of world they want to bring forth for the children to come. 

We should stop projecting our own fears and desires upon our children – This has not made the world a better place, it has only passed on the ‘sins of the fathers’ that seem to loop into infinity unless something, unless someone Stop and stand-up to say ‘Till Here No Further.

How can the world really change, if all change is faced with fear...
How can the world really change if every one submit and submerge oneself to the way things have always been...
How can the world really change, if you and me, the building blocks of our world, do not change...

In this one world we share, in this space-time reality, everyone is walking the same process and is faced with the same points at different times in life. Facing oneself and one’s reality is inevitable. Blaming and pointing fingers doesn’t work; as each one is always self-responsible, each one is always facing oneself, and all will inevitably face all and everything. 

Whether one walk this life process in directive will or whether one wait for things to ‘happen’ before one is forced to face oneself – the outcome is in the end the same. The difference is in the degree of inner suffering and the time to self-realization, both points directly connected to self-responsibility.

At Desteni we are walking the path of self-responsibility, taking things into our hands and working on accelerating the process so as to prevent further suffering in the world and within ourselves.

Family and friends is the system-unit we know best.

We are born of a system into a system. Family as the first and smallest system compartment is the group that defines ‘who we are’, give us ‘purpose and meaning’ based on tradition, culture, religion, belief, society/status, forefathers: the family determines what it is one must give ‘value’ to.

Individuals are seen as the ‘keepers’ of those values, and are in fact the ‘keepers’ of the system, this world as we know it. Because see – everywhere we look, we’ll see people fight over traditions, religions, beliefs; people kill each-other over different ‘values’, while the highest value – life itself as who we all really are – is disregarded.

It seems the very fight for one’s ‘own values’ is what serves the ‘forked tongue of the snake’: it feeds the ego and at the same time preserves the status quo – the world system as we know it.

The ‘big players’ of the world stage have long understood this principle, and rule the whole world by what is called ‘divide & conquer’: let them fight, let them blame each-other, let them be weak.

Obviously any significant change in the application of the average person’s separatist behaviour and egotistic ‘human nature’ is perceived as a threat to the ‘status quo’. To deal with this sudden ‘fear’, the system will seek ways of ‘control’ and will try and make the individual submit and submerge itself to ‘its grouping’ – until the individual is put back into ‘its place’.

As long as we fear each-other, as long as accept ourselves as inFearior: the system prevails.

At Desteni we understand/realize that a change in the world cannot come forth by itself; an actual change in the world cannot come forth without change of the individual through self-will to no longer be subject to the current and seemingly infinite system of separation, fear and abuse while history is repeating.

If we don’t stop history, history will stop us – and mankind as a whole will be facing its end while it’s busy fighting itself in a trivial war against each-other.

This current system of separation exists both within and without and is the consciousness we have all accepted and allowed to be ‘this existence’ as if it’s real, as if it’s who we really are; we call it ‘the ways of the world’ and ‘human nature’, while our consciousness, our mere existence not only undermines the value of life but actually harms that which we all have in common: Life.

We see it all around, and it’s time we stop.

Art by Matti Freeman

Heaven on Earth is possible Here ...If we stand-up and stop this hell

Honesty vs Self-Honesty – System vs Life

Honesty vs Self-Honesty – System vs Life

---Equations for Self-Realization---

Given that our current definition of a System is not life-supportive but rather life-depleting, and given that Life is that which we all have in common and (common-sensically) that which should protected and supported in all ways –

I looked to constructively investigate the differences between System and Life, and also to see What is common sense within/of a System and What is common sense within/of Life.

All can agree that systematic patterns, systematic behaviour, systematic occurrence is based on conditioned stimuli-response-patterns, and is thus never truly self-directed; systematic approach is reactive approach, instead of active participation from a starting-point of self.

From this one could deduct the ‘definition’ that life is that which is free of pre-programming; life is self-directive; life is not the energetics we exist within, life is not single ‘frequencies’ – life is source, unlimited, sound.

Here follow some expressions from the perspective of equality - a comparative differentiation between ‘systematic common sense’ and common sense of life, as well as a parallel differentiation between ‘honesty’ and self-honesty:

SYSTEM COMMON SENSE 
*I am defined by that to which I am attached 
*fixed opinion, justification is necessary 
*definitions exist so that I may exist 

Honesty: through my personality I demonstrate who (I believe) I AM

COMMON SENSE OF LIFE 
*no attachment – no definition 
*no opinion - only self-expression as the moment one and equal

*Man Know Thyself

Self-Honesty: I live who I really am – There exists no need/want /desire to demonstrate or acquire ‘validation’

SYSTEM COMMON SENSE 
*change is dangerous - because change threatens my definitions, attachments, opinions, therefore it threatens me
*change exists as evolution - I change, therefore I become ‘better’ 

*I change according to trends, situations, environment – my ‘honesty’ is defined by these factors

COMMON SENSE OF LIFE
*change is not an act 
*change is - as the only certainty – the flow of life

...will I direct myself to change/flow as life
or will I allow myself to be changed into yet another system?

Self-Honesty: I remain ‘who I am’ regardless what the situation demands from me – change doesn’t change ‘me’ = I ‘know’ ‘who I am’, I am here

SYSTEM COMMON SENSE 
*I perceive choice 
*I am defined by my choices 

Honesty: I choose to ‘love’ or ‘hate’, ‘like’ or ‘dislike’

Choice is (ab)used to abuse
COMMON SENSE OF LIFE 
*no choice exists - life does not choose to be life 

Self-Honesty: I realize the source of ‘like’ or dislike’ as based on programming/resonance – and that I did not direct myself to my choices, rather, my choices have been impulse unto me. I also realize that those impulses have been systematic and not of who I am as life.

Now I have an actual choice: self-honesty as life, or self-dishonesty whereby I would continue to identify with and define myself by my ‘choices’ as all external factors making-up my ‘identity’ in the system



SYSTEM COMMON SENSE 
*if I just make my box big enough, I can be free 

Honesty: “I will be free when I’m able to do whatever I want”

COMMON SENSE OF LIFE 
*freedom exists only of self as life - as who I am as life 

*real freedom cannot be limited by a box
*real freedom exists from the starting-point of self within and as self-honesty 
given that self = life = all = equal – freedom of self implies that none are free unless all are free

SYSTEM COMMON SENSE fears the unknown - thus it evolves into and as that which is already known 

Honesty: “I AM.... divinexxx”

LIFE is the unknown (COMMON SENSE) 
SELF-HONEST common sense dares the unknown and despite all definition remains undefined



A SYSTEM exists equal to and one with the system it is

*per definition a system exists in/as polarity and separation – look around - and that this is so, is COMMON SENSE for the SYSTEM

That is the Honesty of the system.

LIFE exists within and as oneness and equality, within and as awareness of oneness and equality as all as one as equal. Thus – no separation, no polarity.

In Self-Honesty, self = life = all = equal. Oneness and equality OF LIFE is SELF-HONEST COMMON SENSE



SYSTEM COMMON SENSE 
*the others come first when it´s about blame & judgement 
*self comes first when it´s about profit/attainment/achievement 

This is Honesty of the system – it exists in self-justification / self-interest

SELF-HONEST COMMON SENSE 
*self first 
as self is all as one as equal of life 
*there exists nothing that is not of self as all as one as equal 

and thus self always considers what is best for all: self-honesty as life



SYSTEM COMMON SENSE 
*awareness is considered and defined as ‘attainment’ or ‘higher purpose’ separate from self and is desired as ‘power’ over others - without the realization that awareness in separation leads to yet more separation 
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*one often ‘accepts’ limitation/inferiority/being inadequate, so as to remain in one’s ‘comfort zone’ – justifying this with words like “I’m just not good enough, honestly!” That is ‘honesty’ of systems.

SELF-HONEST COMMON SENSE 
*awareness is here as self:
self-awareness in every breath as the law of self and the natural beingness and hereness of life 
*awareness is awareness as life self as all as one as equal 

within and as self-awareness, LIFE allows no separation within self and all as self. 

Self-Honesty allows for one to see one’s own imposed/accepted limitations and realize that ultimately one can only break-through through self-will and letting go of ego.

SYSTEM COMMON SENSE is conditional, conditioned and conditioning 

“I’ll do this for you (then honestly you must you do this for me)”  

COMMON SENSE OF LIFE is none of the above - it is unconditional  

SELF-HONEST COMMON SENSE in application is unconditional - never conditional, conditioned or conditioning - One never does something ‘for another’ – that would imply separation - it is always self

SYSTEM COMMON SENSE can be ‘bought’ and/or ‘attained’ and is used to validate, justify and sustain the system 

“Honestly, if you got the money – I’m yours!”

SELF-HONEST COMMON SENSE is priceless and cannot be attained but only self-realized - and is applied to support and honor LIFE as all as one as equal of life 

SELF-HONEST COMMON SENSE serves no purpose but LIFE
in the realization that the value of life is life



SYSTEM COMMON SENSE is the mind abusing life 

“I am an honest person..., but...”

“I’d really like to do this now, but I’d rather do it tomorrow, because...”

COMMON SENSE OF LIFE is life in application 
SELF-HONEST COMMON SENSE is being and supporting life as all as one as equal

Self-honesty is ‘in the moment’ – every moment there exists a single actual choice: self-honesty or self-dishonesty – ‘Who am I within it all?’

SYSTEM COMMON SENSE: it is good to wait, “waiting is wise”

In the system we reason with time to manipulate things to our personal self-interest

“Honestly, – I have time or I don’t have enough time, I don’t have time at all....” - "If only I had the time..."
SELF-HONEST COMMON SENSE: ‘waiting’ does not exist’, as life is here within and as every moment.

I, as who I am of life, am here within and as every moment of breath, thus ‘waiting’ is self-dishonesty.

Self-honesty is walked Here, in every here-moment of breath.

SYSTEM COMMON SENSE will place the system support before life. Look at the current world system.

“Honestly” often indicates explanatory factors and a point of view separate from the common good.

In SELF-HONEST COMMON SENSE life always comes first: what is best for all. What does not support all/life is simply unacceptable. 

Self-honesty has no need for validation. I either do what is best for all or not. Self-honesty is to act like all is always known to all. Imagine all standing at the end of time and seeing it all. Validation/Justification is irrelevant.

Equal Money is Life for All - Common Sense

Search the web for further perspectives on Honesty vs Self-Honesty, here is a couple of more:

http://jjesusprocess.blogspot.com/2011/05/honesty-vs-self-honesty.html

http://cameronsprocess.blogspot.com/2011/05/what-is-difference-between-honesty-and.html

http://innosentence.blogspot.com/2011/05/me-being-honest-versus-me-being-self.html